SCHAENZER et al. V. KNIGHT - Page 6




                 Interference No. 105,058                                                                                                            
                 Schaenzer v. Knight                                                                                                                 
                          21. Also in the telephone conference held on August 20, 2003, counsel for the junior                                       

                 party asked the APJ where in the interference rules is a requirement that the moving party shall                                    
                 bear the burden of proof. The APJ directed counsel's attention to 37 CFR § 1.637(a). See                                            
                 Summary of Telephone Conference - Paper No. 34.                                                                                     
                          22. At the conclusion of the telephone conference on August 10, 2003, the APJ                                              
                 authorized the parties to re-file theirjoint preliminary motion I as ajoint preliminary motion 3 to                                 
                 eliminate the deficiencies articulated by the motions panel in the decision on joint preliminary                                    
                 motion 1, provided however, that the parties will acknowledge (See Summary of Telephone                                             
                 Conference - Paper No. 34):                                                                                                         
                                  (1) that they are charged with the burden of proof under 37 CFR §                                                  
                          1.637(a),                                                                                                                  
                                  (2) the requirement of 37 CFR § 1.637(c)(4)(ii) to make a showing that                                             
                          claims 3-9 are not directed to the same patentable invention as any other claim                                            
                          (meaning all claims) whose correspondence to the count is not in dispute,                                                  
                                  (3) that mere counsel's argument does not constitute evidence, and                                                 
                                  (4) that the motion has to be based on evidence, e.g., testimony from one                                          
                          with ordinary skill in the art with regard to factual inquiries for an obviousness                                         
                          determination [for instance, if any feature is deemed patentably significant, there                                        
                          should be testimony regarding the state of ordinary skill in the art in connection                                         
                          with that feature, e.g., to what extent is that feature known by one with ordinary                                         
                          skill in the art];                                                                                                         
                          23. Counsel for both parties accepted the condition set by the APJ and re-filed their                                      
                 preliminary motion 1 as preliminary motion 3, to fix the deficiencies noted in our decision on                                      




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