Ex Parte Kopelman et al - Page 4

                 Appeal 2006-2635                                                                                       
                 Application 09/935,287                                                                                 

                 using touch tones to provide information identifying a good.  Appellants                               
                 assert (Br. 7-8 and Reply 4) that the use of the IVR system is limited to the                          
                 step of sending information to the DBS and does not include the step of                                
                 gathering ad information.  We find that Lalonde discloses (col. 6, ll. 3-10)                           
                 that when the seller places a call, the IVR sends an operator request message                          
                 to the DBS, and the DBS prompts the operator for information about the ad.                             
                 Lalonde continues (col. 6, ll. 10-13) that the operator sends the requests to                          
                 the seller via the headset, "receives the seller's responses via the same path,"                       
                 i.e., through the headset, "and inputs such responses to DBS 16."  Lalonde                             
                 states (col. 6, ll. 14-15) that "this step could be automated using the IVR,"                          
                 (emphasis ours) but that a human operator is preferable in order to explain                            
                 options to the seller.  By "this step" Lalonde refers to the last mentioned                            
                 step, or rather, the step of an operator inputting to the DBS the responses                            
                 about the ad received from the seller, as asserted by Appellants.  However, if                         
                 the IVR is to input the received responses to the DBS, then the IVR must                               
                 first receive the responses about the ad from the seller.  Since the IVR                               
                 responds to digital or touch tone inputs, we find that the seller inputs                               
                 responses about the ad (or information about the product) using the buttons                            
                 on a touch tone phone.  Accordingly, we will sustain the obviousness                                   
                 rejection of claims 1 and 2.                                                                           
                        Regarding claims 3 and 23, Appellants contend (Br. 8-10) that                                   
                 Lalonde fails to disclose providing an identification code by touch tone                               
                 phone.  Appellants add (Br. 9) that adding a code, such as a UPC code, to an                           
                 ad would not provide meaningful information to the buyer in a system like                              
                 that of Lalonde.  The Examiner asserts (Answer 4) that "standard product                               
                 identification codes such as UPC and ISBN number are well known, hence                                 

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