Ex parte FIORDALICE et al. - Page 4




          Appeal No. 1998-0178                                                        
          Application No. 08/254,854                                                  


          We consider first the rejection of claims 24 and 26-30                      
          under the second paragraph of 35 U.S.C. § 112.  The examiner’s              
          rejection states the following:                                             
                        Claim 24 is indefinite in that it                            
                         first recites that the via structure                         
                         includes a “titanium-aluminum                                
                         compound”, and then recites that it                          
                         “does not include titanium”.  The                            
                         compound must include titanium,                              
                         therefore line 11 contradicts that                           
                         which has been claimed [final                                
                         rejection, page 2].                                          




          In responding to appellants’ arguments with respect to this                 
          rejection, the examiner stated:                                             
                        The phrase “the via structure does not                       
                         include a layer of elemental titanium”                       
                         tends to define the invention in terms                       
                         of what it is not, rather than                               
                         pointing out the invention.  This is a                       
                         negative limitation that renders the                         
                         claim indefinite [answer, page 4].                           
          Appellants argue that elemental titanium means                              
          unreacted titanium, and there is no conflict between the                    
          claimed presence of a titanium-aluminum compound and the lack               
          of elemental titanium [brief, page 4].  Appellants also argue               
          that negative limitations are not per se indefinite or                      
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