Ex Parte JULIEN et al - Page 3




             Appeal No. 2001-1372                                                              Page 3                
             Application No. 08/018,841                                                                              


                    Rather than reiterate the conflicting viewpoints advanced by the examiner and                    
             the appellants regarding the above-noted rejections, we make reference to the answer                    
             (Paper No. 27) for the examiner's complete reasoning in support of the rejections and to                
             the brief (Paper No. 24) for the appellants’ arguments thereagainst.                                    


                                                     OPINION                                                         
                    In reaching our decision in this appeal, we have given careful consideration to                  
             the appellants’ specification and claims, to the Davis patent, to the Popoff affidavit                  
             (Paper No. 16), and to the respective positions articulated by the appellants and the                   
             examiner.  Having reviewed all of the evidence before us, we make the determinations                    
             which follow.                                                                                           
                                           The indefiniteness rejection                                              
                    Several of the examiner’s criticisms of the claims on appeal arise from the use of               
             relative terms, or terms of degree, therein.  Appellants are correct that terms of degree               
             are permitted in claims and do not necessarily render claims indefinite.  When a word of                
             degree is used, such as the term "relatively" in claim 30, it is necessary to determine                 
             whether the specification provides some standard for measuring that degree.  See                        
             Seattle Box Company, Inc. v. Industrial Crating & Packing, Inc., 731 F.2d 818, 826, 221                 
             USPQ 568, 573-74 (Fed. Cir. 1984).  Thus, in deciding this appeal, for each of the                      









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