Michael J. Kulzer & Jan K. Bielman-Kulzer - Page 19




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                    A    No.  I used -- to clarify, I did not --                      
                         I said that I did not prepare this                           
                         document at the time that I prepared the                     
                         tax return.  I'm a budget analyst by                         
                         trade.  I go to a lot of meetings.  I'm                      
                         required to analyze things very quickly.                     
                         So I did not put this to paper at the                        
                         time I prepared my tax return.  So to                        
                         answer your question, I used what I had                      
                         in my SBC balance, I remembered it to be                     
                         286-, but I'd already withdrawn 10,000,                      
                         so there's a document in here that shows                     
                         I had a balance of 276-, so it was one                       
                         account and that's what I used to                            
                         calculate this amortization schedule.                        
                         THE COURT:  So –- go ahead, Counsel.                         
               BY MS. GINGRAS:                                                        
                    Q    So it does not involve the Orange County                     
                         Teachers Federal Credit Union account at                     
                         this time?                                                   
                    A    Correct.                                                     
               We find that the record does not identify what retirement              
          accounts petitioner took into consideration in allegedly                    
          computing the amount of the periodic payments for purposes of               
          section 72(t)(2)(A)(iv).  Furthermore, the record does not show             
          the balances of those accounts at the time the first distribution           
          was made.  Indeed, petitioner testified that he could not state             
          the date and amount of any distribution that was a part of the              
          distribution of $25,000 made during 2001, other than the                    
          distribution of $10,000 made by one of petitioner's SBC accounts            
          on or about July 18, 2001.                                                  








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