Ex parte FIALA et al. - Page 5




          Appeal No. 98-0024                                                          
          Application 08/467,306                                                      


          (f) simply referring, as appellants state on page 11 of their               
          brief, "to a physical characteristic of the outer tube and not              
          to a state of assembly."                                                    
               The examiner further argues on pages 7 to 8 of the                     
          answer:                                                                     
                    Section (f) may indeed be describing a physical                   
                    attribute of the outer layer but does so in a                     
                    way that is describing the attribute when the                     
                    outer layer is in a different form from its                       
                    final state which is indefinite.                                  
          We do not agree.  The fact that an element in a claim is                    
          defined by a property or characteristic which it has when in a              
          different form from the form in which it is claimed does not                
          inherently render the claim indefinite.  Cf. In re Miller, 441              
          F.2d 689, 691, 169 USPQ 597, 599 (CCPA 1971) (claim to powder               
          which recited unsintered flex strength, a property of preforms              
          made from the powder rather than of the powder itself, was not              
          indefinite).  Here, although part (f) sets forth a                          
          characteristic of the outer tube which it has when in a                     
          different form than recited in part (a), there is compliance                
          with the second paragraph of § 112 since the bounds of the                  
          claimed subject matter are distinct, as dis-cussed above.                   
               In the final rejection, the examiner also found claims                 
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