Ex parte VADO et al. - Page 9




          Appeal No. 1998-3006                                       Page 9           
          Application No. 08/586,977                                                  


          "other elongated members such as non-nautical ropes, cables,                
          etc."                                                                       


               We agree with the examiner that the phrase "or the like"               
          in claim 9 is indefinite.  Contrary to the appellants'                      
          argument, the preamble language may not be ignored in                       
          determining the question of whether a claim is definite under               
          the second paragraph of                                                     
          § 112.  See Ex parte Kristensen, supra.  Additionally, in the               
          present case, it is clear that the preamble recitation of "or               
          the like" introduces an uncertainty into claim 9 to preclude                
          one skilled in the art from determining the metes and bounds                
          of the claimed subject matter.  Compare Ex parte Kristensen,                
          supra.  Accordingly, we must conclude that claim 9 does not                 
          define the invention with the precision and particularity                   
          required by In re Moore, supra, and In re Hammack, supra.                   


               For the reasons stated above, the decision of the                      
          examiner to reject claims 1 to 7 and 9 to 11 under 35 U.S.C. §              
          112, second paragraph, is affirmed.                                         









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