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                Interference No. 104,544 Paper149                                                                                                 
                McDonald v. Miyazaki Page 27                                                                                                      
                         A. Nobody asked me that.                                                                                                 
                         Q. If you were an examiner, wouldn't you want to know?                                                                   
                         A. Not really. And I'll tell you why. If you go back to what I've been                                                   
                                 trying to tell you all along about the science involved in describing                                            
                                 the TSF molecule and the megakaryocyte growth and development                                                    
                                 factor by Amgen, they're identical. Identical. The word means the                                                
                                 same, identical. There are no differences.                                                                       
                                         So why would you waste your time, if you were the                                                        
                                 examiner, wanting to know the amino acid sequence of a molecule                                                  
                                 that's already been described? Why would you do that?                                                            
                         Q. So you took it upon yourself not to inform -                                                                          
                         A. No, no, wait a minute.                                                                                                
                                            [Contentious interlude, lines 7-18, omifted)                                                          
                         Q. Dr. McDonald, are N-terminal fragments, TPO as you define them                                                        
                                 in your 666 specification as comprising amino acid 154 through                                                   
                                 332, biologically active in treatment of thrombocytopenia?                                                       
                         A. Technically, your question is incorrect. N terminus is not 154 to                                                     
                                 332.                                                                                                             
                         Q. Are C-terminal fragments biologically active in treating                                                              
                                 thrombocytopenia?                                                                                                
                         A. A portion of the C terminus connected to the N terminus is. I do                                                      
                                 know of one experiment that I leamed from, oh, I can't remember                                                  
                                 his name. Lok. I think his name was Lok. He worked at                                                            
                                 Zymogenetics. He told me in that [sic, the?] C terminus sometimes                                                
                                 had activity. But we never tested that.                                                                          
                         Q. Did you ever test the biological activity of a C-terminal fragment as                                                 
                                 you define a C-terminal fragment in column 7 [1048 at 71 of your                                                 
                                 patent?                                                                                                          
                         A. What I was trying to say was that there -                                                                             
                         Q. Could you answer that question yes or no, please.                                                                     






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