BAI et al v. LAIKO et al - Page 40




                Interference No. 104,745                                                                                                 

                spectrometer,  as allegedly required by Hitzeman v. Rutter, 243 F.3d 1345, 58 USPQ2d 1161                                
                (Fed. Cir. 2001).  In support, Bai notes the proposal's observation that                                                 
                        [t]he sensitivity of a proposed APMALDI instrument (Fig. 1) may be expected [to                                  
                        be] much less compared with [the] usual MALDI TOF instrument.  Assuming the                                      
                        same ion production in both cases, ion transparency of any atmospheric pressure                                  
                        interface is much less than 100%; in usual MALDI instrument nearly 100% of                                       
                        produced ions are detected.  Thus a main goal of a first experiments may be just                                 
                        to prove a possibility of [the] new APMALDI technique.                                                           
                                                                                                                                        
                LX 1041, at 3-4.  Dr. Laiko explained the reasons for this skepticism as follows:                                        
                                A.  At that time, to the best of my knowledge, not even the possibility to                               
                        generate ions under atmospheric pressure through the MALDI process was                                           
                        demonstrated.                                                                                                    
                                Q.  At atmospheric pressure, you mean?                                                                   
                                A.  Yes.  This is the first point.  Then if it would be possible, if it was                              
                        possible, you need to transport the ions.  So there are many uncertainties, as usual.                            
                                Q.  Again, I think I understand you, but just to be clear, you really thought                            
                        there were at least two problems.  One would be when a matrix analyte                                            
                        combination was subjected to a laser at atmospheric pressure, there could be a                                   
                        reasonable doubt that ions were even going to be generated.  That would be one.                                  
                                And two would be, even if they were generated, would they be captured                                    
                        and transported to the mass spec.                                                                                
                                Do I understand you correctly?                                                                           
                                A. Yes.  That's right.                                                                                   
                Laiko Depo.  (LR 61. l. 21 to LR 62, l. 13.)  Laiko's skepticism continued until his 14 March                            
                1998 actual reduction to practice:                                                                                       
                                MR. VOIGHT: Q.  We've talked specifically about the time frame back in                                   
                        October, and what I'm saying is nothing would have changed to change anyone's                                    
                        view between October and the time in March when you demonstrated that it in                                      
                        fact worked?                                                                                                     


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